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THE FOLLOWING IS A SUMMARY OF NOTES TAKEN BY JIM MC CAMPBELL

CONCERNING TWO TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS WITH DR. PAUL F.

BENNEWITZ-Side A of Cassette. The original notes show that by a

signature and date, that Dr. Bennewitz reviewed them and made

corrections which are marked by parenthesis.

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This is Jim McCampbell making a recording of a remarkable episode

on July 13, 1984. It has to do with a UFO base, cattle

mutilation, advanced weaponry, contact with aliens, etc..

The episode began about a week ago when I received a little

semi- annual periodical titled STIGMA. It is number 21, the First

half of 1984. This little bulletin is prepared by Thomas Adams

at P.O. Box 1094, Paris, TX 75460. He has a hot line for

reporting possible or confirmed mutilation at (214) 784-5922.

He has a rather lengthy article. One finds point of interest

on page 9 and I suppose the only way to pursue this is to read

what he has here as it is fundamental to the entire story.

Quoting "In May of 1980 a most interesting event occurred in

northern New Mexico. An event similar in many respects to the

Doraty Case. A mother and her son were driving on a rural highway

near Cimarron, New Mexico. They observed two or more craft and

as Judy Doraty did, they observed a calf being abducted. Both

observers were themselves abducted and taken on separate craft to

what was apparently an underground installation (woman witnessed

mutilation in the field-dead animal taken with them), where the

woman witnessed the mutilation of the calf. It has been alleged

that she also observed a vat containing unidentified (cattle)

body parts floating in a liquid, and another vat containing the

body of a human male. The woman was subjected to an examination

and it has been further alleged that small metallic objects were

implanted

into her body as well as into her son's body. More than one

source has informed us that CATscans have confirmed the presence

of these implants.

Paul Bennewitz, President of his own scientific company in

Albuquerque and an investigator with the Aerial Phenomena

Research Organization, has been the principle investigator of the

case. Interviewed in his office in April 1983, Bennewitz

reports that through regressive hypnosis of the mother and child

and his own follow-up investigation, (including communications

received via his computer terminal which ostensively is from a

UFO related source), he was able to determine the location of the

underground facility, a kilometer underground beneath the

Jicarillo Apache Indian Reservation near Dulce, New Mexico.

(Since 1976, one of the areas of the U.S. hardest hit by

mutilations coincidentally or whatever). Bennewitz's information

is that this installation is operated jointly as part of a

ongoing program of cooperation between the U.S. government and

extraterrestrial UFOnauts. The story continues that, after

initial contacts years ago, the aliens agreed to give "us"

certain technological advances while we provided them with the

location for the New Mexico base, and at least three others.

Plus, the aliens were to be allowed to carry out certain

operations, abductions and mutilations without our intervention.

The mother and son, by the way, were returned back to there car

that night. Since the incident, they have suffered repeated

trauma and difficulties as they attempt to recover from the

episode. We pass this along because the account is, of course,

most crucial if true; but we are not in a position to confirm the

alleged findings. Hopefully, more information regarding this

incident will be aired in the near future. We can only consider

such reports while continuing to seek the evidence to refute or

confirm." That's the end of this remarkable quotation from

STIGMATA.

As I have been studying the idea of a base for aliens for some

time, this has caught my attention and I also suspected

cooperation between the U.S. government and the aliens. It also

gives the name and location of a man who has his own scientific

operation, Dr. Paul Bennewitz. I tried to get in touch with him.

Through the telephone information service I was able to do so.

Dr. Paul F. Bennewitz

1413 Wagontrail Drive S.E.

Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123

(505) 298-1609

(EDITORS NOTE* This is presumably Dr. Bennewitz home address. We

do know that the listed phone number is no longer good.)

I got in touch with Dr. Bennewitz by telephone and indicated

that I had seen this reference to him and his work and I wanted

to find out whether he was being misrepresented or whatever. I

told him that I would xerox a copy of it and forward it to him

for comments, which I did. This morning July 13, 1984, he

telephoned me and said that he, having looked over the article,

found that it was substantially correct. I forgot to mention

that in my letter to him I said that none of the details that

were in this particular article gave me any particular strain.

The Dr. Bennewitz, who I will refer to as Paul...took the time to

close the door to his office and elaborated upon the whole story

and the conversation lasted somewhere near an hour. It is rather

mind boggling and here is the substance of that telephone

conversation.

The article is basically accurate and he does have the

coordinates of the base. He is a physicist and he started four

years ago to determine in his own mind whether UFOs exist or do

not, and he has gotten much more deeply involved than he ever

intended. It has caused him a great deal of trouble from the

government intelligence groups. He has pictures from the

location.

He went with a Highway Patrol Officer and they saw a UFO take off

from a mesa at the location. He obtained photographs and what he

calls launch ships were 330 feet long and a 130 feet across. The

cattle rancher named Gomez and he went back to this location

which is a mesa and saw a surveillance vehicle which was about 5

ft by 10 ft, like a satellite, he said. He had been using a

polaroid camera and then got a Hassel-blad to produce much better

pictures. He set up a monitoring station and observed that UFO's

are all over the area. He was also able to pick up signals and

obtain video pictures that are transmissions from alien screens.

He has been dealing heavily with a Major Edwards

("somebody")(security commander of manzano) who was with Monsato

Security and two (my wife and I) of them saw four objects outside

of a warhead storage area at a range of about 2500 feet and

obtained movies of them. He now has about 6000 feet of movie

footage, of which 5000 ft. is in Super Eight. The objects have

the ability to "cloak", that's his word, he spells the word like

cloak and dagger, like cover up and he says that they can cause

themselves to go invisible by a field that causes light waves to

bend around the object that (one sees(?))-the sky behind them.

He confirmed the fact that the woman was picked up when she

accidentally observed the calf being abducted. He has paid for

pathology work and medical doctors. The pathologist is the

former head of the micro-biology Department of the University of

New Mexico. They have done CATscans to show that the woman (we

confirmed the woman-not the son) and her son did in fact have

implants in their bodies. She has a vaginal disease like

Streptococci- bulbi(?) and tried many anti-bodies (antibiotics?)

to destroy the bacteria. That it has survived off the antibodies

(antibiotics?) themselves. The aliens keep hassling her. (Still

true to date)

Paul kept the woman and her mother at his house and the UFO's

were flying overhead constantly. There is no ESP involved, but

it is just plain physics.

They beam down.(they send a beam down- not "beam down") They

have a beam through which they can sense her thoughts. They can

communicate through this beam. She picked up their

transmissions. He devised a method of communication based upon

hex alfbic (askii)(Editors Note-it's ascii (idiots) code; one is

equal to "no" and two being "yes". Through this code he has been

able to talk to aliens. He then computerized the system that

would reject extraneous inputs. He said that they can be very

threatening and malevolent. One of them he talked to said he

would drop communication if he became to familiar. He was told

about the base.

He then told the O.S.I. of the Air Force and he has (did give)

been requested to give several presentations to high level Air

Force people in briefings on the subject, wing level command and

many others including this fellow Edwards. And he took a

helicopter to the site-no no no. It turned out that the wing

commander (No-Twice to site-1st by OSI agent-2nd by Col.

Carpenter) after a presentation that this fellow made, then took

a helicopter to the side (site) and made photographs.

He says that you can see saucers on the ground. He says there

is a kind of cone- a large cone- and the larger vehicles come and

land on top of the cone with the top of the cone fitting into a

large hole in the bottom. There is an elevator inside of the

cone and that goes down into the mountain or ground about one

kilometer. You can see the Aliens running around the base

getting into the vehicles and stuff. They use small vehicles to

get around that have no wheels. They are rectangular in shape

and they levitate. They do not show up in color because they are

highly reflective, but in B & W they are visible. He says that

there are beam weapons that are floating in strategic locations

and there is a road into the base. He obtained infra-red photo's

of the area from an altitude of 14000 ft. There is a level

highway going into the area that is thirty-six feet wide. It is

a government road. One can see telemetry trailers and buildings

that are five sided buildings with a dome. It is standard

military procedure. There are many guard points and "stakes"(?)

and there are launch domes that one can see. Next to the

(launch) dome he saw a black limousine and another at some

distance off. (Apparently) The careful measurements showed that

the limousine was the same length as his Lincoln Town Car. It is

a C.I.A. vehicle. Also there as a blue van. He has been

cautioned about these limousines as they will run you off the

road if you try to get into the area and in fact somebody has

been killed in that manner.(see copy of alien msg. enclosed.)

To the north is a launch site. There are two wrecked ships

there: they are thirty-six feet with wings, and one can see

oxygen and hydrogen tanks. There are four cylindrical objects,

Socorro type--two carrying something while flying. The whole

operation is based upon a government agreement and a technology

trade. We get out of it atomic ships that are operated by

plutonium.

The Cash-Landrum case was one of them. The doors jammed open

and neutron radiation came out.

They are based at Kirtland Air Force Base and Holloman AFB and

some place in Texas.(No - only knew of one based at HAFB.[1/2/86

based at Kirtland now]. Possibly Fort Hood, Texas-a guess only.)

He said the government is paying the bills for Cash-Landrum

victims.(Editor's note*-This is true only because Cash

and Landrum obtained an attorney who filed suit against the

government.) (OSI input-found out later this was not true unless

some one covering)(Editors Note*- It is in fact true. The

government did pay Cash and Landrums hospital bills. Both

women and the grandson were diagnosed as suffering from radiation

poisoning.) Refueling of the Plutonium is accomplished at Los

Alamos. He has traced pictures as far back as 1948. It was there

even then. Pictures in 1952 (1962), you can see many saucers and

the base and trucks in winter time. The road was "passed

off" to the local inhabitants as a lumber contract. He has

photographs (I believe) of the firing of a beam weapon that

ejects (?) in two directions. (That would be necessary on a

flying saucer. The reaction forces would impede the vehicle.) He

has computed the speeds of flying saucers at 15,000 mph and

indicated that the pilots (of ours) are from N.S.A., the

National Security Agency. The aliens have had atomic propulsion

system for 48 years and the saucers themselves operate on an

electrical charge basis having to do with a crystal

semi-conductor and (maybe a) a super lattice. I think he said

"as you increase the voltage, the current goes down". (No

typically). At present there are six to eight vehicles, maybe up

to ten over the area and sometimes up to 100. They can be seen

in the clouds and produce nitrogen nitrate (I assume or speculate

it is this). You will see black spots in the clouds. They eat

holes in the cloud. If you see black spots in a cloud, then you

can tell that a vehicle is in there.

He says that they come from six different cultures and in his

communications that some come from a binary system, possibly

Zeta Reticuli and from distances up to and larger than 32 light

years away. The also (appear) have one to three ships in earth

orbit at 50,000 KM altitude (Based upon data). He had to form

the words to try and communicate and he produced a vocabulary of

6(27) words in a matrix form and uses a computer. The flying

saucer (we see) are limited to operation in the atmosphere.

Now with regard to the cattle problem, the aliens are using

the DNA from the cattle and are making humanoids. He got

pictures of their video screen. Some of these creatures are

animal like, some are near human and some are human and short

with large heads. They grow the embryos. After the embryos

become active by a year of training, presumably that is required

for them to become operational. When they die, they go back into

the tank. Their parts are recovered.

In 1979 something happened and the base was closed. There was

an argument over weapons and our people were chased out, more

than 100 people involved.(Some place later he indicates further

details on this point.)

The base is 4000 ft. long and our helicopters are going in and

out all the time. When it became known that he was familiar with

all this, the mutilations stopped (true). They are taking

humanoid embryos out of this base to some place else. I asked if

it was Albuquerque or Los Alamos (note 1/2/86-looks like it "is"

albuq.), but he said he didn't know. He said there are still

quite a few of the helicopters in operation. They fly at night

(all unmarked). He went up there himself in a helicopter and the

O.S.I. briefed the pilot and he thought perhaps the copter pilot

himself might have been an undercover man. They saw the

helicopter pads up there-Viet Nam type, with bearing markers and

the trees pushed off away from the location. It is such a wild

area he said. He agreed to send me the coordinates of this base.

Regarding the abductions of people, they pick out medium to

low IQ personnel. They are able to scope out each one.[so we can

do the same thing with electro- magnetic spectrum analyzer.](I

don't know this part-word mix up-drop). They pick up these

people and then put implants into them and then take tissue

samples, including ovum from the women, sperm from the men and

DNA.

They can program these people as slaves to do whatever they

wish and they will have no memory of it. They (the hard core

type) staunchly refuse to be x-rayed or hypnotically regressed.

You can recognize them because of their eyes. He says "peculiar

look in the eyes (an expression) and a funny smile". Hynek knows

about all of this and has been in contact with Coral (Lorenzen).

He regards Hynek as a threat (Not really-I just think that he is

still a Gov. cover) At his house, he showed Hynek films and out

in the back yard a flying saucer. He asked Hynek about his view

with regard to abductions as to how many people might have been

abducted. Hynek, un-hesitantly said about one in forty.

He said that many people come to his door to see him, just

"out of the blue" and he sees scars on the back of their necks.

That previous old scars are easy to detect and that new ones are

hard to detect. He feels that this is a sickening situation.

The aliens have gone wild and use hypodermics [and notes a (I

don't known either) parallel four times".] (McCampbell: I don't

know what that means) He has been paralyzed four times and has

been hit 250 times by hypodermics. He says they knock you cold

and do whatever they want to do and the above points have been

verified medically.

A man came to see him with a top secret document that was

dated in the 50's, indicating if anybody found out about all of

this that they would kill them. He was asked "doesn't that

bother you?" He said "no it didn't."

He said he had sent in some film to Kodak and there were seven

rolls. They were Ektachrome G which could not be processed

locally, so they had to go to Kodak. He does all of the film

work commercially so that nobody could claim that he had

monkeyed, but one was (was missing for 2 months) plain

Ektachrome, but (when received) nine feet was missing and this

was close-ups of UFO's that he had taken. The missing pictures

of the nine feet (the 9 ft didn't-other known only to me did)

showed up in a top secret document that he studied and the code

name is Aquarius and it is a project of the (I was told NASA)

National Security Agency. They are the ones that kept his film

and copied it with deletions on Ektachrome and sent it back (I

suspect).

There have been indirect threats by Air Force Intelligence

against him.

The location of the base is 2 1/2 miles northwest of Dulce and

almost over looks the town. It is up on a mesa. We discussed the

similarity between everything we have been talking about here and

the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". He said he

speculated that seemed to be a plan of disclosure, that is the

movie. The coordinates of the location are not far off and the

mountain where the actual base is looks much like the mountain in

the movie.

The next thing was -- Discussing the trade off--alright. Here

is what we got in the trade off. We got the atomic technology,

the atomic flying ships. Several of them, the first one was

wrecked on the ground and it can be seen and photographed from

the air. A second one was wrecked. A third one was wrecked.

Apparently this last one was repaired and was the one that was in

Houston -- Near Houston in the Cash-Landrum case. The second

item that we get out of it, are the beam weapons, the beam

technology and third (I speculate) is the thought beam. That is

the means by which communication is accomplished. It is

electrostatic in character with a magnetic (artifact)

componentand it is the only way of communicating with people.

They have to have the implants in order to use it. In the crash

that occurred at the base when there was a disturbance of some

sort, the aliens killed 66 of our people and 44 got away (alien

computer input-true?-I do not know.) Over an argument they turned

on us.

I discussed with him whether he wished me to relay any of

this information to other people. He said he had no objection.

He would like to review any writing that I might do, to make sure

that it was right in advance, and also make sure that the source

of information was given. I mentioned in particular, John

Schuessler, who would be extremely interested in part of this

data.

I gave him a summary of my analysis of the electromagnetic

environment around UFO's related to propulsion. He was going to

study that, but he did not comment off hand. He was familiar

with what the aliens called MPS which means manipulations per

second--no, manipulations per sequence. In an electrostatic

field that can be manipulated into many configurations and the

craft can stall. In order to prevent that, this field is

adjusted once every forty milliseconds. He has studied the

trails from UFO's and they seem to break down at a pulse rate of

62 per second. Based upon the color movie pictures, there seems

to be a blast of light and a spectral components and composition

there, with a bow-wave in front of the UFO with nitrogen showing

green and oxygen showing blue, but with the saucer being

invisible. They can run into a car or airplane and this bow-

wave will destroy them. Rockets can hit this bow-wave and be

destroyed. They can't penetrate it. At White Sands he was shown

pictures of an F-15 shooting rockets with a missile at a target

and the saucers came in behind the missile, 30 ft behind, and

then flew through the explosion. He didn't know what the purpose

of this demonstration was, but suspected it might be just to show

how invulnerable they are. But some times the saucers get into

trouble and they are all consumed in some kind of way.

When he went up to Dulce in a helicopter, they landed and left

some equipment there, but when they came back the pilot was

extremely nervous. Paul wanted to land on the base, but the

pilot wouldn't do that. They came back to Dulce and landed on a

small strip there, where they found two large Huey Helicopters.

The indian (Highway Patrolman) in charge there named Valdez went

aboard one of the choppers and they found them to be full of

commando's. They estimated a total of about 75 commandos, fully

armed with M1 rifles (no-M16's) and rockets (and launchers).

They did not have any indication of rank. They only had shoulder

patches on (Valdez says no-not true-my mistake-I did not get that

close.) and the helicopters had no identification other than

numbers. The helicopters were part of a project called Blue

Light and they were from Fort Carson, Colorado. (OSI input) When

they left they were escorted by these two large Huey Helicopters.

As they were flying along--in the background, they saw rise up

one of the advanced space technology vehicles that looked like a

manta ray with negative dihedral and projections coming down. It

flew vertically past the two accompanying helicopters. Paul

feels that it is imperative that this information be released

because he feels that it is unconstitutional for the government

to be involved in such an arrangement that invades the privacy of

the individuals by the implantation. He said that "once they

have been tampered with by the aliens, they are never the

same."(I suppose one can easily see that.) (Jim McCampbell

comments) So it appears that the--for the privilege of collecting

the biological materials in the mutilation of and the abductions

and the operations on board the craft, the government has allowed

this to go on and even to assist for the privilege of getting the

Nuclear flight technology, plus also the embryos which are flown

out of the base. (A rather fantastic story) (Jim McCampbell

comment) Paul strikes me as being extremely conservative,

extremely knowledgeable and reliable scientist, who was

intimately familiar with sophisticated laboratory equipment.

He is thoroughly scientific and reliable. (Jim McCampbell

evaluation) The base was started in 1948 and in the text above,

I indicated a reference to 1942 that should be 1952, showing

major construction of the base from the photographs that were